Curse

cantalus · Sep 15, 2012, 09:54 PM // 21:54

it's perception, to me 80 levels of that game is a deeply dull grind, but i could possibly put up with that if the movement controls weren't so bad (in my opinion) however i'm glad other people enjoy it, it's just not a game for me, i'll keep my account just incase anet decide to tweak things in the direction i'd like, if not, well, there are other things to enjoy

makosi · Sep 15, 2012, 10:05 PM // 22:05

GW2 is an 'ok' game. It does have some enjoyability to it but, with the great hype and the extensive delays on release, it disappoints within the big picture.

Stuff I like:

-Auction house - very easy selling. (If only we didn't have to talk to Black Lion Reps...)
-Jumping! (Try going to GW1 after a few days of GW2 - feels like you have lead legs).
-Crafting. I'm especially enjoying the cookery.
-Mining/harvesting/chopping. I can't explain why but I like the little rarities found in those trees and mines.
-Mesmer illusions. Basically just minions with perks but fun nevertheless.

Stuff I'm ambivalent about:

-Graphics. Kind of scrappy and cartoon-ish. GW1 looks more refined and tidy to me.
-New professions, and the introduction of guns. Not characteristic of GW and reeks inauthenticity.
-Music. It's Jeremy Soule so it's good but some stuff is repeated a lot and is grating on me.

Stuff I don't like:

-Mobs spawning on top of me out of thin air.
-Sudden jumps and drops in monster levels (45-47 in one part of an instance then 50-53 a few yards away).
-Map exploration (Vistas, PoIs etc.). If you've done one, you've done 'em all. It gets so grindy.
-Computer heat issues: it's not just me who gets this. At least my room will be warm if I play in the winter.
-Paying to use teleporters -_-.
-Broken armour. A mob spawns on me from nowhere and now I get to pay to fix the armour when I couldn't have done anything about it. Well done, devs.
-Online store. Too expensive, IMO.

Above all, it's too rich, complex and mainstream MMO-eque whereas I had a pipe dream of reliving GW1 in 2005. Will we ever get that simple, idyllic pre-Searing feeling again?

DieRomantics · Sep 16, 2012, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by makosi

Above all, it's too rich, complex and mainstream MMO-eque whereas I had a pipe dream of reliving GW1 in 2005. Will we ever get that simple, idyllic pre-Searing feeling again?

Nope. Just asian grinding games. I remember some idiots told me way back in 05 when I was playing GW1 it was the poor man's WoW. GW2 takes that spot for sure this day.

Da_sniper69 · Sep 16, 2012, 01:12 PM // 13:12

I love how most people complain about Guild Wars 2 as being very grindy. Yet most of you, if not all have played the first one. Guild Wars 1 is the biggest grindfest of all, with little or no reward to your grinding. Scrape the .1% of this part of the map for Grand Master Cartographer, completely vanquish a zone you've been through already 10 or more times. Don't get me started on Legendary Defender and Drunkard before they were nerfed. There is only one really expensive armor in the game (I wouldn't consider vaabi expensive unless you're poor) that everyone has. For me, 7 years of the same thing is tiring, there needs to be some change.

I respect the fact that some of you enjoy the first game more. Some people go through life being content with doing the same routine every week, they don't get tired of things. For my opinion, Guild Wars has evolved into a better game which continues the great story it left off with. The game is huge and there is so much more to do and customize. I feel like most of you are giving up because you're not used to change and are just too lazy to put effort into adapting.

Premium Unleaded · Sep 16, 2012, 03:02 PM // 15:02

You clearly have not been playing GW for 7 years.

Da_sniper69 · Sep 16, 2012, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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You clearly have not been playing GW for 7 years.

Even though my gw guru account is from 2005? Good pickup on that one genius, look at my initial posts and look when they were posted. I'm one of the first (if not the first) people on gw1 to break the the gold cap with an single item. Two accounts, one has GWAMM, the other has high rank titles for PVP. Just because you don't agree on my opinion on GW1 doesn't automatically label me as new. I've played GW1 since beta and I'm glad to say I was there for the start of GW2

IGN: Tanking With Rabies.

Kunder · Sep 16, 2012, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Da_sniper69

I love how most people complain about Guild Wars 2 as being very grindy. Yet most of you, if not all have played the first one. Guild Wars 1 is the biggest grindfest of all, with little or no reward to your grinding. Scrape the .1% of this part of the map for Grand Master Cartographer, completely vanquish a zone you've been through already 10 or more times. Don't get me started on Legendary Defender and Drunkard before they were nerfed. There is only one really expensive armor in the game (I wouldn't consider vaabi expensive unless you're poor) that everyone has. For me, 7 years of the same thing is tiring, there needs to be some change.

Except that no one has to do ANY of those things in GW1. Grind is forced in GW2. Comparing them is like comparing someone who works 80 hours a week because they love their job with someone who works 80 hours a week because they are a slave. The only people who grind in GW1 are the people who either like grind or are OCD (and should probably be playing an MMO anyway).

cantalus · Sep 16, 2012, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by Da_sniper69

Even though my gw guru account is from 2005? Good pickup on that one genius, look at my initial posts and look when they were posted. I'm one of the first (if not the first) people on gw1 to break the the gold cap with an single item. Two accounts, one has GWAMM, the other has high rank titles for PVP. Just because you don't agree on my opinion on GW1 doesn't automatically label me as new. I've played GW1 since beta and I'm glad to say I was there for the start of GW2

IGN: Tanking With Rabies.

also played gws for a while, and i agree, for me pve is dull where ever it is, however pvp isn't dull, still, whatever frankly, i don't want gw2 to fail, i just don't intend to play it, esp with it's awful movement control, it's a pve grindfest

just surprised people who like gw2 are even posting here

Da_sniper69 · Sep 16, 2012, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by Kunder

Except that no one has to do ANY of those things in GW1. Grind is forced in GW2. Comparing them is like comparing someone who works 80 hours a week because they love their job with someone who works 80 hours a week because they are a slave. The only people who grind in GW1 are the people who either like grind or are OCD (and should probably be playing an MMO anyway).

I don't mean to sound condescending, but I find this to be a poor argument based on your lack of knowledge of GW2. Explain to me how Guild Wars 2 is forced grinding when you're autoleved to 80 for both World vs World and Spvp, just as if you would roll a pvp character in Guild Wars 1. Not only that but you are instantly given pvp runes and max weapons off the bat. You don't have to grind and unlock them like the first one.

By the time takes you to get to level 20 on a character in guild wars 1, I could just be around level 60 maybe even higher in guild wars 2. I mean you get 10 level per each crafting profession. You can get to 80 just by crafting alone.

DiogoSilva · Sep 16, 2012, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by Kunder

Except that no one has to do ANY of those things in GW1. Grind is forced in GW2.

No, it isn't. You reach level 80 by playing the game normally before even finishing the storyline. There's never a moment where you are forced to grind, unless you only play GW2 for the sake of the story (which are usually available every 2/ 3 levels) and absolutely dislike its gameplay, at which case, you're much better off playing a more story-driven (offline game), or even watching a movie or reading a book.

cantalus · Sep 16, 2012, 10:46 PM // 22:46

doubt i made this clear, the pvp in gw2 is a button mashing spam fest, it's not interesting, fine for those who like it of course, but i think i'd rather play RA in gw1, and i hate RA

DieRomantics · Sep 17, 2012, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by Da_sniper69

I love how most people complain about Guild Wars 2 as being very grindy.

It is a grind, I know NCSoft's PR BS promised otherwise, but it is. But, you're so satisfied with GW2 and yet you're on an ancient GW1 site confronting veterans for their negative opinions on your beloved grind-game. Apparently, since there is nothing to do at level 80 on GW2, you're left on social media websites to defend/promote GW2 to strangers. Fail MMO, successful North Korea simulator.

Gill Halendt · Sep 17, 2012, 08:52 AM // 08:52

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Originally Posted by DieRomantics

Apparently, since there is nothing to do at level 80 on GW2, you're left on social media websites to defend/promote GW2 to strangers.

Apparently, since you reach lv80 half-way through your personal story, and by then you're likely not yet over 30-40% map completion, you could just play the game till the end and then play dungeons while they add new, planned content to the game. So much for "nothing to do"...

Doesn't sound that different from GW1 to me, bar the different level cap and the fact that GW1 isn't getting any significant new content anytime soon.

Captain Krompdown · Sep 17, 2012, 10:10 AM // 10:10

I'm enjoying the game.

Before anyone jumps on this simple statement and tells me that if GW2 was so great, I wouldn't be here at all, please listen to my reason for coming to this thread:

I was curious to read what GW players think of GW2.

Sorry if either of these statements are too much for you to deal with. Just don't blow a gasket over them. Go do something fun (or maybe something useful) instead.

I'm going back to bed now (because sleep is good). Then I'll probably sneak in a little GW2 (because I enjoy it) before going to work. Hope that's OK with everyone.

cantalus · Sep 17, 2012, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by Captain Krompdown

I'm enjoying the game.

Before anyone jumps on this simple statement and tells me that if GW2 was so great, I wouldn't be here at all, please listen to my reason for coming to this thread:

I was curious to read what GW players think of GW2.

Sorry if either of these statements are too much for you to deal with. Just don't blow a gasket over them. Go do something fun (or maybe something useful) instead..

but you could've just read them, and not posted, but you posted, no doubt to communicate how much you're not bored with gw2, and to put in the ''gasket'' comment, no doubt cause you're not defensive at all

Captain Krompdown · Sep 17, 2012, 10:50 AM // 10:50

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Originally Posted by cantalus

but you could've just read them, and not posted, but you posted, no doubt to communicate how much you're not bored with gw2, and to put in the ''gasket'' comment, no doubt cause you're not defensive at all

^^ obvious troll is obvious ^^

DieRomantics · Sep 17, 2012, 11:57 AM // 11:57

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Apparently, since you reach lv80 half-way through your personal story.

I brang 2 friends with me to GW2 and we uninstalled a week and a half later. We each had roughly 120 hours of gameplay and were doing our personal story as you said. Half-way through our story, ironically is when my story glitched and I was stuck at level 65. And no, the story did NOT bring me to that high of a level. I had to grind out "hearts" and kill monsters in single areas to get the EXP from them. I also like the part where you tell me to *wait* for new content when there is no end-game content in the first place. If you think myself, and other people, are going to wait to buy an expansion to give us the content that should have been initially released with the game, you've got another thing coming.

Your argument is completely invalid. The only thing you are right about is FailNet never giving GW1 new content. It's so sad they abandoned us to push out this piece of dog crap named GW2.

Gill Halendt · Sep 17, 2012, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by DieRomantics

I brang 2 friends with me to GW2 and we uninstalled a week and a half later. We each had roughly 120 hours of gameplay and were doing our personal story as you said. Half-way through our story, ironically is when my story glitched and I was stuck at level 65. And no, the story did NOT bring me to that high of a level. I had to grind out "hearts" and kill monsters in single areas to get the EXP from them.

So you don't like level progression in this game.

My main character is lv80 and I'm yet to reach Lv80 missions in my personal story, but I admitedly spent quite some time also doing some other stuff, namely secondary quests and exploration, something I had to do in pretty much every level-based game I've ever played, starting from GW itself. Sure, level progression is steeper and abrupt here and there, but then again, you can still play the mission even if you haven't reached the suggested level yet.

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I also like the part where you tell me to *wait* for new content when there is no end-game content in the first place.

There is: dungeons, achievements, PvP. Which, incidentally, is not that different from the end-game offered by GW1.

It's absolutely fine with me if you don't like it. Just don't use GW1 as a comparison, since they both lack any significant end-game content judging by your standards...

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If you think myself, and other people, are going to wait to buy an expansion to give us the content that should have been initially released with the game, you've got another thing coming.

Never mentioned purchased content. Content might be added/enabled as it gets ready for release, like they did in GW1 with the Sorrow Furnace and Domain of Anguish updates.

Anyway, you can't really compare a 8 years old EoL game + 3 addons with a freshly launched new game.

A reasonable comparison would be GW2 vs GW-Prophecies in mid-2005. I don't recall Prophecies offering that much of an end-game experience either, thanks to the flawed assumption that PvP was to be enough for everyone.

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Your argument is completely invalid.

Maybe. So is yours, which could be summarized with "I'm bored already, so this game must really suck and everyone will agree because my opinion is better than anyone else's".

You may or may not like what's being offered, that's a matter of tastes. Just don't pretend stuff isn't being offered at all.

DieRomantics · Sep 17, 2012, 02:32 PM // 14:32

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Sure, level progression is steeper and abrupt here and there, but then again, you can still play the mission even if you haven't reached the suggested level yet.

Clearly you didn't read what I wrote correctly. I can enter the suggested mission just fine. The mission is GLITCHED, so it can't be finished, read before you write and try to condescendingly speak to me.

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

There is: dungeons, achievements, PvP. Which, incidentally, is not that different from the end-game offered by GW1.

Except dungeons in GW1 were easily done because there was a holy trinity instead of 5 people running around like headless chickens all doing DPS. PvP is NOT end-game in GW2 because as you said earlier, you can make a level 1 and do it flawlessly. The SPVP anyway, WvW is a zerg that does not value individual skill.

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It's absolutely fine with me if you don't like it. Just don't use GW1 as a comparison, since they both lack any significant end-game content judging by your standards...

On the contrary, GW2 is a SEQUEL to GW1. Sequels are hyped to be bigger and better, GW2 is neither. And you don't know my standards, so don't go there.

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Never mentioned purchased content.

We all know the content that is usually considered a game changer is released around expansion time. Unless they stick to a stated model i.e. TSW.

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Anyway, you can't really compare a 8 years old EoL game + 3 addons with a freshly launched new game.

Sure I can, especially when FailNet's PR junkies and fanboys said it would pretty much make GW1 look small-time and WoW look outdated. Again, it's done neither.

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Maybe. So is yours, which could be summarized with "I'm bored already, so this game must really suck and everyone will agree because my opinion is better than anyone else's".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman_argument Nice try, sunshine.

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

You may or may not like what's being offered, that's a matter of tastes. Just don't pretend stuff isn't being offered at all.

Again, at least one of your points makes sense. There are things being offered, they're just not high of enough quality to keep me, my 2 friends and countless others in this thread around GW2. It does depend on taste, true, I don't like things that taste like sh*t.

Dismissed.

Reformed · Sep 17, 2012, 03:31 PM // 15:31

If it was mentioned, sorry, I'm busy and check this thread as best I can. If weapons actually have maximums I sure as hell don't know what they are. Compare that to GW1 where it literally was a cosmetic decision once you hit that magical 15-22, 7-17 etc.